We really wanted to give the Zune the benefit of the doubt... It sucks.
Microsoft's web site offers us "100 Reasons You'll Be Speechless" over Windows Vista. Quoth the copy: "Using Windows Vista for the first time may leave you searching for words".
Er, yes... searching for words, and finding them. After the initial shocked silence, Vista users (and refusers) are anything but speechless. They're speaking loudly, and speaking lots. Saying far more than Microsoft would like them to. Saying things to make even a Ballmer cringe. Vista has struck them downright loquacious. In fact, Vista users are rediscovering words they thought Mom had washed out with that bar of Ivory so long ago.
Think we're being snarky and making that up? Nope. Let's listen in to 100 things people are really saying about Vista, shall we? (A warning: it gets rough in there...)
The view from 30,000 feet (or: Through the crosshairs)
1. "Vista is a flop. A disaster. Dead."
Let's start out with a few choice media headlines, just to capture the mood:
The Vista Death Watch
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2209837,00.asp
Three Reasons Why Windows Vista is Sinking Like a Rock
http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/2007/02/26/three-reasons-why-windows-vi...
Why Microsoft must abandon Vista to save itself
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9785337-7.html?tag=nefd.only
Vista Nightmare: The “Oww!” Starts Now
http://www.pseudomarketing.com/vista-nightmare-oww/
FAQ: Giving up on Vista? Here's how to downgrade to XP
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
Time for a Vista Do-Over
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2254104,00.asp
Hoo boy! Ebola gets a better rap. Well, put on your waders; there's lots more where that came from. Into the breach:
2. "Vista is one of the 10 worst tech products of 2007!"
Here's the verdict from IT powerhouse CNET: "Any operating system that provokes a campaign for its predecessor's reintroduction deserves to be classed as terrible technology. Any operating system that quietly has a downgrade-to- previous-edition option introduced for PC makers deserves to be classed as terrible technology. Any operating system that takes six years of development but is instantly hated by hordes of PC professionals and enthusiasts deserves to be classed as terrible technology... Windows Vista conforms to all of the above. Its incompatibility with hardware, its obsessive requirement of human interaction to clear security dialogue box warnings and its abusive use of hated DRM, not to mention its general pointlessness as an upgrade, are just some examples of why this expensive operating system earns the final place in our terrible tech list."
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49293700-10,00.htm
3. "Vista is the most disappointing tech product of 2007!"
PC World isn't about to dispute CNET, naming Vista the most disappointing product of the year: "Five years in the making and this is the best Microsoft could do?... Many of the innovations the operating system was supposed to bring--like more efficient file and communications systems--got tossed overboard as Microsoft struggled to get the OS out the door, some three years after it was first promised. Despite its hefty hardware requirements, Vista is slower than XP... The user account controls that were supposed to make users feel safer just made them feel irritated. And at $399 ($299 upgrade) for Windows Ultimate, we couldn't help feeling more than a little gouged... No wonder so many users are clinging to XP like shipwrecked sailors to a life raft, while others who made the upgrade are switching back."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140583-page,5-c,techindustrytrends/art...
4. "This took five years?"
And billions of dollars. Yet many have called the final Vista "alpha quality" software. (That means "at a stage barely ready for testing". It's bad.)
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/13114/1090/
"I’m looking at my copy of Windows Vista and wonder ‘what has Microsoft been doing for the last 5 years?"
http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/mac-os-x-leopard-vs-microsoft-window...
"Why, after five years waiting for the most important product from one of the biggest companies on the planet, was I left feeling with such an overwhelming feeling of "Is that it?"
http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10006214o-2000331758b,00.htm
"Five years for a chrome-plated turd... If this is all the billions, man-hours and years brought, what was the point? We get a bloated, DRM infected rights removal tool that advances the state of the art to where Apple was the better part of a decade ago, and we are supposed to call this progress?"
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/01/30/vista-makes-me-sad
"...sexy party dress aside – it’s the same old tart underneath. Contrasting what was originally promised with what was finally delivered, Vista (nee Longhorn) has spectacularly failed."
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/04/29/vista_end_dream/
5. "What happened to all the promised features in Vista?"
Fast Boot? Gone. "Something obviously went awry. As Computerworld is reporting, a number of Vista users are none too happy about Vista boot-up times."
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=378
PC-to-PC synchronization? Dropped. "Microsoft officials said they cut the feature due to quality concerns."
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobile/another_windows_vi...
WinFS? Perhaps the first big casualty that told the world something was seriously wrong. "Originally announced as one of the three "pillars" of Windows Vista... WinFS was to revolutionize how users and developers interacted with the files on their computers."
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060625-7128.html
And so on. "All the cool and promised features of the original vision of Longhorn were gutted simply because it was beyond Microsoft’s capability to implement those features... Microsoft should have scrapped the project two years ago and instead patched XP until it could deliver something hot."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2209837,00.asp
6. "Vista isn't ready for release!"
It's widely called beta-quality or even alpha-quality software, depending on how angry the voice. Either way, opinion is near-unanimous that Vista was launched before it was ready. Says the BBC's business editor about Vista problems: "My conclusion? For all the expensive and much-extended gestation, Vista was not ready for commercial release."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2007/02/an_open_let...
"Vista Is Incomplete... Vista probably won't be truly ready for prime time until that first service pack version, possibly later this year."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128669-page,1/article.html
"Vista is basically XP, prettified with different bugs... It's memory hogging, slow, and still feels unfinished, but the same can be said about every previous version of [W]indows..."
http://rufuswhite.blogspot.com/2007/09/vis-vista.html
7. "Vista? Yawn."
What if you threw your biggest product launch ever and nobody came? It'd look like this: "...few residents... had come out for the launch of Microsoft's much-ballyhooed operating system, Windows Vista. At CompUSA, slightly more than a dozen people wandered the aisles waiting for the stroke of midnight, when the software giant's latest system would go on sale... "When I was on my way in, they were lined up," said a CompUSA staff member who asked not to be named. "I asked, are you here for Vista? They all shook their head" (A comment from one attendee spoke beautifully on behalf of Vista launch 'revelers': "I don't really have a reason... It's just something to do.")
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/01/72601
More: "All day, Microsoft had presented an agenda of glitz, glamour, and unusual spectacles...[but] it was quite clear that the majority of the people waiting in line were eager to capitalize on the slashed prices and had no real interest in Vista or Office 2007."
http://www.news.com/Vistas-actual-launch-Think-whisper,-not-bang/2100-10...
And more: "Vista’s buzz borders on nonexistent. Its launch has not lived up to expectations by any reasonable measure. Sure, you have some cheerleaders out there, but if you look closely enough, you’ll find they make a living supporting and advocating Microsoft’s technologies first and foremost. Vista is not setting the world on fire, and people are actively trying to avoid upgrading. There were no lines out any door at midnight anywhere for Vista... The “wow” has not started now, even with most people (including me) loving the new Vista TV commercials. They’re good. But that’s where the “wow” for Vista begins and ends for me."
http://gracefulflavor.net/2007/03/06/vista-backlash-grows-key-advocate-m...
Now see The "Wow" for yourself:
http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/01/wow.html
8. "Vista? Why?"
"PC Advisor surveyed its readers and found out that 67% would prefer their new computer come with Windows XP over Vista... "
http://vista.blorge.com/2007/10/21/pc-advisor-67-prefer-windows-xp-over-vista-upgrade/
Or in words from Microsoft Watch that put all of Vista into perspective: "Microsoft promised WOW, but the reaction was, 'What?' What is different from Windows XP? What is wrong with the hardware requirements? What is the difference between 'Capable' and 'Ready?' What is this Software Assurance requirement for Vista Enterprise? What happened to the familiarity of Windows XP? What is wrong with my Vista applications and hardware?.. More recently the 'W' question is 'When?'--as in when will Microsoft release Vista Service Pack 1?"
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/vista_one_year_later.html
"When I look at Vista, there's really nothing there that's a must-have kind of feature."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137635/article.html
"Tech is going smaller, cheaper, lighter. Vista is going bigger, more expensive, more demanding. Is that where you want to go today?"
http://seekingalpha.com/article/30042-10-reasons-why-microsoft-s-vista-h...
Vista's mark on Microsoft (or: Redmond needs a hanky)
9. "Vista: The end of the Microsoft empire?"
It isn't only users that have Vista problems. Microsoft may have the biggest problem of all: "MS is in a rut. The firm has cowered, co-opted or bought all the critics, and any message coming out of the press will be well scripted... Vista could have been innovative instead of warmed over. Vista could have defended our rights instead of raping them. Vista could have been lean and mean instead of bloated and DRM slowed. Vista could have brought new ways of doing things instead of the same old same old. Vista could have been cheaper instead of a stealth price increase. Vista could have pioneered new ways of letting us use computers instead of activated tethers and licence problems. Vista could have been compatible and advanced standards instead of breaking software in the name of locking you in... I think we would have been better off if MS packed it in and spent the money on the moon shot they are so fond of making comparisons too."
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/01/30/vista-makes-me-sad
"...Microsoft better start moving faster with its operating system upgrades or it can look forward to a long slide in market share as people decide that the Mac experience is just plain better. Apple is a bigger threat than ever to the empire in Redmond, Wash."
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_7310593?nclick_check=1?sr=hotnews
"Right now, Microsoft has nowhere to run, and nowhere to hide. After all the hype surrounding Vista, the Emperor has finally been revealed in all his naked glory. Some folks have been predicting the demise of Microsoft."
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/04/29/vista_end_dream/
10. "Abandon Vista, Microsoft!"
The press is even telling Microsoft to abandon Vista altogether! "Never before have I seen such an abysmal start to an operating system release... The road ahead looks dangerous for Vista and Microsoft must realize that... Microsoft must abandon Vista and move on. It's the company's only chance at redemption."
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9785337-7.html?tag=nefd.only
"Microsoft can scuttle the entire product. Why not? Work on a whole new OS starting today with one team and work on SP3 for XP with another team to keep users on Windows."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2209840,00.asp
"Vista has turned into the desktop operating system no one wants, and even Microsoft is beginning to get it... Whatever you do, even if it's just sticking with XP, you'll be doing better than moving to Vista. Vista is the walking dead of the operating-system world."
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2190228,00.asp
11. "Vista shows that Microsoft is spread too thin"
Umpteen OS products, consumer software, enterprise software, game machines, music players: all things to all people is a recipe for a mess, and people are noticing that anew in the wan light of Vista. "Now Microsoft wants to be in the advertising business because Google is in the advertising business. Meanwhile, it can’t do its real job."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2209837,00.asp
12. "Microsoft knew they were releasing 'a pig'"
Within Microsoft, there are (or were) those who knew where to lay blame. Jim Allchin, who left Microsoft the day Vista was released, said in a now-famous memo to Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer, "...we lost our way. I think our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how important current applications are, and really understanding what the most important problems [our] customers face are... I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft. If you run the equivalent of VPC on a MAC you get access to basically all Windows application software (although not the hardware). Apple did not lose their way... They think scenario. They think simple. They think fast."
He closes with this simple summary of Longhorn (the initial code name for Vista), "LH is a pig."
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/110354.asp
(The memo was written three years before Vista's release, and even the strongest detractors will have to acknowledge that Microsoft made great improvements in the intervening time. Yet not so much changed after all, as Vista has been ravaged by the same criticisms since the day of its release.)
13. "Microsoft's most loyal fans can't praise Vista!"
Although aimed at pre-release Longhorn, the following rant was noteworthy not only for its venom but also for its source: columnist Paul Thurrott, recognized as one of Microsoft's most ardent cheerleaders. "Microsoft has yet to ship Windows Vista, and it won't actually ship this system in volume until 2007. Since the euphoria of PDC 2003, Microsoft's handling of Windows Vista has been abysmal. Promises have been made and forgotten, again and again. Features have come and gone. Heck, the entire project was literally restarted from scratch after it became obvious that the initial code base was a teetering, technological house of cards. Windows Vista, in other words, has been an utter disaster. And it's not even out yet. What the heck went wrong?... If blame is to be assessed, we must start with Gates. He has guided--or, through lack of leadership--failed to guide the development of Microsoft's most prized asset. He has driven it into the ground... Promises were made. Excitement was generated. None of it, as it turns out, was worth a damn. From a technical standpoint, the version of Windows Vista we will receive is a sad shell of its former self, a shadow... [W]e do not and should not expect to be promised the world, only to be given a warmed over copy of Mac OS X Tiger in return. Windows Vista is a disappointment."
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5308_05.asp
Jump ahead to the post-launch era. Improvements are certainly evident, and Thurrott is mollified in part; I won't purport to speak for him. But from elsewhere: "Even some of Windows' most loyal users are finding that its poor performance, lousy software support and pathetic driver support is too much to stomach."
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2190228,00.asp
14. "I'm mad at Microsoft!"
You may have read the story of the disappointed mom who tackled Steve Ballmer over her daughter's Vista problems: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
There's a lot of Microsoft-directed anger out there. Here a power user takes Microsoft to task: "I was loyal to you for so long. I stuck with you through thick and thin. From DOS 5.0 through XP. Through decent functionality and through countless crashes. But this new operating system is the last straw... You’ve terrified folks like my poor dad. He is afraid to install new software for any reason. He mumbles things like “Computers – you just can’t trust them.” He’s been conditioned that if he tries to install a new program or download an update – even if he does it correctly - something is likely to go awry for no explicable reason... You made millions of poor secretaries and office workers cry just for trying to do normal things like printing and saving... The secret is out, Microsoft. The reputation that you can’t be trusted to deliver reliable software is getting around fast."
http://www.pseudomarketing.com/vista-nightmare-oww/
The BBC's business editor writes an open letter to Bill Gates: "Give me back my weekend. I bought a new Windows Vista laptop – and that’s when the trouble began... The only thing that gives me any comfort is that I am apparently not alone in my Vista-stress."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2007/02/an_open_let...
15. "Vista marketing is senseless!"
Says a key Microsoft observer: "I wasn’t a big fan of the “Wow” campaign around Windows Vista. But its newest incarnation — “100 Reasons Why Everyone’s So Speechless” — might be even worse."
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=851
"According to Microsoft, Vista brings “clarity” to our lives. What the hell is that supposed to mean?... We all know the truth - Windows XP is perfectly fine, and Microsoft’s PR machine is just inventing reasons for us to buy something we don’t need."
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2006/11/10/five-reasons-to-avoid-wi...
16. "Vista marketing is sleazy!"
Even before the class-action lawsuit over misleading "Vista Capable" marketing, Vista marketing has raised eyebrows. "Microsoft and AMD have sent free Acer Ferrari 1000 and 5000 notebooks loaded with Vista to a group of high-profile bloggers... While Microsoft’s PR department may have thought it was a great idea, the give-away is attracting criticism."
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2006/12/27/microsoft-crosses-the-li...
Not entirely a Vista addition, but along the same theme: "If you can’t beat ’em, bribe ’em. That’s Microsoft’s newest tactic for promoting Windows Live Search, whose share of the market is declining despite a multimillion-dollar marketing campaign... The Redmond Recidivists are offering enterprise customers $2 to $10 worth of Microsoft swag per seat to ditch their Google and Yahoo toolbars and go “Live” in IE7. Meanwhile, Steve Ballmer has criticized Google because it hasn’t “reinvented itself” enough. So, to recap: Making a product people use because it actually works is bad business, but arm-twisting, trash talking, and bribery are the keys to long-term success."
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/03/22/13OPcringely_1.html
Acquiring Vista (or: Getting set up)
17. "Vista's versions are a confusing mess!"
Windows Vista Starter, Windows Vista Home Basic, Windows Vista Home Premium, Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise, and Windows Vista Ultimate. Plus a couple extra versions for Europe. Pre-launch observers predicted: "The sheer number of Windows Vista versions is going to cause massive consumer confusion." http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp
That's proven true since Vista's launch.
A kinder review notes: "It all sounds confusing, but in reality consumers are only going to really need to choose between FOUR different Vista versions."
http://www.techwrighter.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=53...
Vista's multitude of versions is fodder for the competition. Apple, for example, gets good milage out of this ad poking fun at Vista choices: http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-chooseavis...
Similarly, CEO Steve Jobs scored laughs with his quip about Mac OS X Leopard's single version: "Basic version, $129. Premium version, $129. Business version, $129. Enterprise version $129. Ultimate version, $129".
18. "Vista's upgrade paths are just as confusing!"
There are actually more than six versions of Vista: upgrade options add four more. "Microsoft is losing consumer operating system market share to Apple for many reasons... That's why it may be such a costly error for Microsoft to make the Vista upgrade such a confusing mess."
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
Microsoft provides an upgrade matrix to help out... or not help out: "Good lord. That chart looks like a city block's worth of malfunctioning traffic lights."
http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/01/0032250
Even after making a choice, upgraders need to watch out for trouble. A representative sample: "Many users have lost, or were never provided with, installation disks with their PC. Because they have XP or 2000 installed, they may decide to save money and buy an Upgrade version. If their disk later dies, or they need for whatever reason to reformat, they will then have to buy a second copy of Vista, this time, the full version. Ouch!"
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
19. "Upgrading to Vista is a pain!"
For many, Vista problems begin at installation. Let the business pros at Forbes tell it: "Should you upgrade your current machine? Are you nuts? Upgrading is almost always a royal pain. Many older boxes are too wimpy for Vista, and a 'Vista-ready' unit Microsoft upgraded for me could see my wireless network but not connect to it. The diagnostics helpfully reported 'Wireless association failed due to an unknown reason' and suggested I consult my 'network administrator'--me. Yet I've connected dozens of things to that network, including other Vista machines, a PlayStation 3 and Microsoft's own Xbox 360... My recommendation: Don't even consider updating an old machine to Vista, period. And unless you absolutely must, don't buy a new one with Vista until the inevitable Service Pack 1 (a.k.a. Festival o' Fixes) arrives to combat horrors as yet unknown."
http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0226/050.html
20. "Upgrades are so much easier on other systems!"
"In the long years since XP was launched, Apple have come out with five major upgrades to OS X, upgrades which (dare I say it?) install with about as much effort as it takes to brush your teeth in the morning. No nightmare calls to tech-support, no sudden hardware incompatibilities, no hassle. Why hasn’t Microsoft kept up?"
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/04/29/vista_end_dream/
(It has to be noted that Apple's Leopard upgrade hasn't been problem-free for everyone, though most troubles involved use of unsanctioned third-party hacks to OS X.)
21. "Why are some Vista versions so limited?"
Then again, maybe there aren't so many real choices after all. A typical comment: "Have you ever looked at Vista Home Basic? Calling it a dog is an insult to all hard-working canines. It can't run Vista's eye candy, the Aero Glass interface. It doesn't have DVD video authoring or Media Center support. Compared to Windows XP Home SP2, I'd call it a downgrade."
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2169153,00.asp
Not surprisingly, many reviewers call the higher-end versions the only real choice for a serious shopper. Which leads to the next complaint:
22. "Vista is too expensive!"
The word got out before launch: "An overwhelming majority of users say the prices of the various editions of Windows Vista as posted on a Microsoft website yesterday make the product too expensive, according to a new poll." http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/5450/53/
And the word spread after launch. Says Computerworld, "Are you sitting down? The full version of Windows Vista Ultimate costs $399. If you have an XP CD, and don't mind the hassle, the upgrade version of Vista Ultimate costs $259. Ouch!"
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
But Vista's impact on the pocketbook extends beyond software:
23. "Vista's hardware requirements are unbelievable!"
Hardware requirements have sparked endless criticisms.
You'll need lots of memory: "Microsoft's on-the-box minimum RAM requirement "really isn't realistic," according to David Short, an IBM consultant who works in its company's Global Services Divison. He says users should consider 4GB of RAM if they really want optimum Vista performance. With 512MB of RAM, Vista will deliver performance that's "sub-XP," he warned."
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
All modern computers need that much memory, right? Wrong. "In contrast to Microsoft's Windows Vista, [Mac OS X] isn't a memory hog... it can run just fine on an older Mac with 512 megabytes of main memory. Vista really needs something like four times as much to run all applications smoothly... Mac OS X 10.5... isn't a fat pig."
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_7310593?nclick_check=1?sr=hotnews
"A new level of the absurd… Windows Vista requires more hardware resources than Microsoft’s Windows for Supercomputers. Yet one operating system is designed to run on home computers while the other is aimed at the high-performance computing (HPC) market."
http://www.indianpad.com/story/142664
The lesson: If you're looking at Vista, make sure you choose a PC that's Vista Capable.
Then again, maybe not:
24. "Windows Vista Capable is a lie!"
"A lawsuit alleges that Microsoft Corp. engaged in deceptive practices by letting PC makers promote computers as "Windows Vista Capable" even if they couldn't run the new operating system's "signature" features."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/310004_msftsued03.html?source=rss
Microsoft denies the claims, but the press has harsh words in response. "What actually happened was that they discovered that "Capable" was proving incapable. Nice one, Microsoft! No wonder I've been hearing your customers—not Mac fans or desktop Linux users—referring to Vista as Windows ME II."
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2169153,00.asp
But if you're confused by the meaning of "Vista Capable", don't worry – so is Microsoft.
http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/0,39044229,62035012,00.htm


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Re: all of the above
i have to agree with Cloaked Lurker on just about everything he said. i don't even see why there NEEDED to be a Vista... as soon as they patched XP to the point where i didn't get the BSOD every other day, i was content. then the next month i hear they're coming out with a new Windows by the end of the next year...was there something missing from XP? i already had everything i needed... in the words of a friend of mine, "the one thing I really liked about Vista is it was aesthetically pleasing. now if only I could've gotten it to play my XP games and not keep bugging me on whether I wanted to open the file I JUST CLICKED ON, I might've kept it." this was after i downgraded it to XP for him. not a simple task either. almost turned his PC into a doorstop...
mypoint being that the only thing most people want out of an OS (even those who don't know what that is) is to run OTHER programs. anything extra is just that: EXTRA, and should not be at additional cost to the consumer. many of the "upgrades" were merely visual or simply a rearrangement of commonly used programs so that veteran users would have something new to "learn", when in fact much of the "new" features can be implemented on XP. as for DirectX10, i've read interviews from game coders saying that much of what it does could be implemented using DX9 (with more extensive coding of course), not to mention that MS could've just coded it for XP...whoops, just mentioned it.
so i reiterate, give me ONE THING i couldn't live without that's on Vista.
Re: all of the above
Apparently many, many people agree with you, and are happy with XP as it is. That's something MS can be proud of: XP was good enough to keep fans happy throughout years of use and a major new OS intro!
It'll be interesting to see whether Windows 7, like Vista, has to battle XP as its biggest competition.
Re: all of the above
P.S., i can build a PC that can do almost anything most users need for under $500 because XP isn't (as much of) a resource hog like Vista. when was the last time you saw a Vista PC under $600 that didn't have a Celeron or Sempron or such processor in it to make it cheap (in all meanings of the word)?
100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
Keep up the hate. I will keep using Vista on my laptop, which has never caused me a headache since I installed it a year ago. Runs like a dream.
Hey, when Vista is completely established, will you say the same about Windows 7? Of course you will.
Get a life, losers.
Re: 100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
My Vista Installation is working absolutely fine. Takes me about 40 seconds or so and I'm from a Off state to desktop loaded and online with Outlook 2007, Firefox (with 2 - 3 tabs) and MSN messenger, and a crap load of startup items as well including I-Mesh and My Drop Box.
I'm not having any issues with Vista Ultimate.
Re: 100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
Sounds like the SP improvements are working for some! I hope it keeps running well for you.
Re: 100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
Translation: "It works for me, so everyone else's problems are imaginary."
One of the oddest, yet more widespread, bits of logic out there.
It depends: will Windows 7 also be a shoddy product?
Re: 100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
"Translation: "It works for me, so everyone else's problems are imaginary."
Very well said. Its right up there with "Its user error" and "your hardware must suck"
Re: 100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
God go get a fking Mac and shut the fk up. Vista 64 bit is the Best
Re: 100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
Sadly, yes Vista is that bad - I've had the misfortune to use it.
But every OS out there has it's flaws. I have my issues with Real Time audio on Linux, but everything else is fab. I have used OS X and find it a comfortable system but not as extensible as the others. XP? Stable yet insecure.
Vista? Unstable. Unsecure. Screws with my realtime audio. Not all my old software runs on it. Fail. Fail. Fail.
Windows 7? Who said anyone will be trying Windows 7?
Re: 100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
Sadly, yes Vista is that bad - I've had the misfortune to use it.
Fail. Fail. Fail.
Re: 100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
But every OS out there has it's flaws. I have my issues with Real Time audio on Linux, but everything else is fab. I have used OS X and find it a comfortable system but not as extensible as the others. XP? Stable yet insecure.
Vista? Unstable. Unsecure. Screws with my realtime audio. Not all my old software runs on it. Fail. Fail. Fail.
Windows 7? Who said anyone will be trying Windows 7?
Don't download pirated software, real player, isn't that an awesome program
Re: 100 Stupid things People are crapping about Vista
Try doing any TechRepublic webcast on any computer. RP is the only option.
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
The problem is not Vista itself (which is anyways by far the worst OS that I have tried among XP-2000Server-Linux-Solaris-Unix and MacOS), but how Microsoft handles the situation. You buy a very expensive new computer with Vista and then you are basically stuck with it and you don't even have the right to downgrade back to XP (even if you are aware that XP is 3 times cheaper so you would happily give up some money to do that). They tricked people into paying a couple of hundred pounds more to have this amazing system and they leave you with no choice but use it (and get real desperate with it at times). I feel I've been subject of customer fraud by Microsoft (but this is not news).
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
I don't know how supportive Apple would be, either, should you demand a move down from Leopard (10.5) to an earlier OS. But you are indeed correct that MS is being heavy-handed in attempts to force use of an expensive, resource-hungry OS, whether we like it or not.
This is the area where Linux shines like crazy. Want an earlier version of your OS? Or a different distribution altogether? Or a hand-rolled custom OS? Whatever you want, have at it – it's yours, with Linux's blessing.
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
nice article, i really enjoyed reading :D
the only thing i want to say is:
everyone runs the OS he/she deserves :P
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
That's something like "...get the government they deserve", right? : )
Thanks for the compliments!
what is so wrong with vista
having read most of the messages i understand vista has its difficulties , Anything new these days in technology is pushed and deadlines cause pressure for release dates etc. But 5 years in the making is a long time , However im not sure what problems vista users are having> for me the perks of it are great Ideally dealing and working in photography the ability to see photos on a large scale in folders is a huge bonus. I have not experience anything out of the ordinary with vista. However i do not alowe this machine to go online It a work machine and any updates i need> usually software updates everything is fine. never updated wondows on vista yet untill they are ready and approved.
Everything runs on the machine perfect and with Adobe open , logic music program and various text and grapics program the machine handels beautfully , usually render a 1 hour movie eidt in under an hour whith all applications running. As for games i have around 100 titles including the current top 20 which all run a dream ( Except for broken sword 4 ) but there is shader trouble with the game and trouble handing multi processor machines. I think its how yoru machine is built that makes the vista a difference, If your mother board and everything in the pc is build according to vista then it should work nicely. direct x 10 is only a vista quality and so good for gaming and graphics which i do. the machine boots up and shits down around 30 seconds. they talk bad about dell machines but for some reason my dell works fine too. I think luck sometimes comes in to it but also what you install on yoru machine make a lot fo difference, and if its connected to the net the amount of junk it downloads without you knowing is crazy all can make a difference how the system runs
Re: what is so wrong with vista
Oh yes, it does "shit" down within 30 seconds.
I disagree
This really annoys me cos vista is fine for me - sure i cant run some games - that are made for windows 98 but this is vista not stone age computing. Everyone loves XP cos it is stable - vista has a few bugs tht jsut need to be ironed out - like with XP - XP has been around 4 so long that it now doesn't have any bugs - fine - but when everything else is too advanced for XP it will sux. Vista has consant updates fixing bugs ect. And also I am also a flash developer and adobe runs fine - a mac would b great 4 it but vista is fine. BTW Firefox is far better than IE7
Re: I disagree
Hmm, I don't quite get the annoyance, since it sounds as if you're one of the fortunate people who shouldn't be annoyed! If Vista works well for you, that's a good thing. Yet please understand: even if it works great for you, there are many, many people – from computer newbies to IT professionals – for whom Vista has truly, genuinely, spectacularly proven to not work well. And hell hath no fury like a shopper disappointed, so those crowds will speak out!
winblows is a ripoff of other free sistems.
winblows rips other sistems like gnu linux & mac os x . but a bad one. i personaly prefere enithing ower winblows, mac is the best but again moust expensive one. if like me you are not loaded with tons of money switch to linux (ubuntu, opensuse, etc)linux is a litle hard tu adopt to but winblows is to a pain in the eass. if you have ever tried to develop a program that uses some of winblows core dll's then you know what i mean. end the moust importan thin is you gaved a ton of money for a brand new pc yust to be able to run vista end you still have tu pay for it, but it will never be yours! acording to the licence!!
Re: winblows is a ripoff of other free sistems.
vista sucks!blueoo.com
Re: Vista running just fine on minimal hardware
I don't use computers so I can run the operating system, I use them so I can run applications. Vista does not do that well at all. Right now, I'm typing on a Vista laptop (AMD Turion TL-64 X2 2.2 GHz; 2GB RAM). My old laptop (1.7 GHz, 2GB [of quite a bit slower] RAM) was much snappier with XP than my current laptop with Vista. The manufacturer won't downgrade me to XP (yet), but I'm pretty sure I can get a refund on the whole thing --- just need to jump through the hoops.
I may be able to salvage the product code from my old (broken) XP laptop. Anyway, I'll be pricing MacBooks real soon now; I suspect they're too expensive --- even with the usual caveats about better speed, efficiency, quality, and service. Since I've been using linux for about ten years, I'm at least going to see how my laptop does with a live CD of fedora 8 64bit. If that works well enough, a Mac may have to wait, and warranty be damned at this point.
I suspect that if about a half-dozen top rank games ran really well (i.e. native) on mac/linux, windows desktop dominance would be history in six months. With all the virtualization, emulation, and dual-boot options now available (all second tier choices, to be sure) ... we'll see how the landscape looks in about a year. Who wants to guess which gaming console will steal the most market share from windows desktops? One thing I'd bet on: xmas 2008 is going to be relatively better for Apple than for MS.
Re: Vista running just fine on minimal hardware
I may be able to salvage the product code from my old (broken) XP laptop. Anyway, I'll be pricing MacBooks real soon now; I suspect they're too expensive --- even with the usual caveats about better speed, efficiency, quality, and service.
MPCOC
YOU CAN FIX WINDOWS
what i did is i replaced almost every windows proccess with something else. here is a complete list...
PROGRAM REPLACEMENT
1. ADD REMOVE PROGRAMS----------------------EASY UNINSTALLER
2. TASK MANAGER----------------------------------WINPATROL
3.WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER----------------------QCD PLAYER,ZOOM PLAYER
4. EXPLORER.EXE-----------------------------------RIGHTCLICK, WINDOWS BLINDS,OBJECT DOCK
5. NOTEPAD-----------------------------------------DREAMWEAVER
6.PAINT-----------------------------------------------FLASH, FIREWORKS GIMPSHOP
7. MICROSOFT OFFICE-----------------------------OPEN OFFICE, ABI WORD
8. DISK CLEANUP------------------------------------TREE SIZE FREE
9. SYSTEM RESTORE--------------------------------ADD AWARE
10. INTERNET EXPLORER--------------------------OPERA, FIREFOX
11. OUTLOOK----------------------------------------THUNDERBIRD
12. MSN MESSENGER-------------------------------TRILLIAN
13. LOGIN SCREEN----------------------------------LOGON EXP
14. BOOT SCREEN-----------------------------------BOOT SKINS
you name it i replaced it with free open source goodness :)
even dell is putting ubuntu on thier machines.
and i am able to run ubuntu from a flash drive (480mbps) faster then windows can get to the loading screen on a sata drive (3gbps)
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
Vista is the best thing to ever come out of Microsoft. It had me switch my PC to Ubuntu 7.10 and get a MacBook instead of a laptop with Vista pre--installed.
I've waited for Windows Vista, since Longhorn was first revealed, they were 3 years too late, many missing features, confusing GUI, slow performance, and decreased stability. Worst bit of them all, DRM and TC, that is spying on you!
Vista is OK and will be no.1. Just have patience!
just haters...
In one year or two all of them will be running Vista.
you need it because of the new technologies such as directx10 and forth
and pc's will be faster and faster and Vista will boost performance overtime
On my Q6600 with 4 GB ram and raid 0 runs flawlessly... Even Windows XP can't match Vista on that machine... considering for 4 GB you must install xp x64 which is way worst than Vista x64
Just wait and see. I'm pretty sure!
XP was heated before.
Vista is the best Microsoft OS (till Windows 7 will came out)
Re: Vista is OK and will be no.1. Just have patience!
You're totally right man! Vista forced to check out alternatives, and I discovered PCLinuxOS! Never been happier with my computer! Thank you Microsoft!
Re: Vista is OK and will be no.1. Just have patience!
Microsoft forever!!!
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Re: Vista is OK and will be no.1. Just have patience!
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Re: Vista is OK and will be no.1. Just have patience!
lol not everyone that realizes that vista is windows ME version 2 is a "hater". Try realistic:
"In one year or two all of them will be running Vista."
Think so huh? Even business have been wary of spending money to upgrade to it. Not everyone has the money or incentive to upgrade to a quad core to run all the eye candy in vista. Most people want basis functionality--office & word, web browser email. And I guarantee you most people don't care for drm at all.
"you need it because of the new technologies such as directx10 and forth
and pc's will be faster and faster and Vista will boost performance overtime"
You don't need vista for new technologies at all. What new technologies? DX10? DX is nothing more than an api for graphics cards so windows programmers can more easily get at the metal--it doesn't add more features than the graphics card already itself is capable of providing it merely makes it easier to tap the power. And DX10 is fully capable of being deployed for XP. In case you weren't paying attention MS created numerous versions of DX from win95 to DX 9 on XP. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with vista at all. Do you think everyone is naive? You obviously got that machine for DX10 and gaming and are a power user--you should know better since power users often want the most out of their hardware investment--you won't get the most return using VISTA at this time, thats for damn sure, and SP1 is unlikely to fix the bulk of the issues. XP worked much better than vista did before id even had SP1, esp. for games. That b/c they had released SP's for win2k and the transition was a lot easier--not so this time.
"On my Q6600 with 4 GB ram and raid 0 runs flawlessly... Even Windows XP can't match Vista on that machine... considering for 4 GB you must install xp x64 which is way worst than Vista x64"
Yeah of course with a quad core and 4GB of ram, it's going to work better. And that's just BS--I call BS. Windows XP it outperformed by the bloated drm ridden vista? How do you figure since the OS inherrently is calling on the CPU's to do more work than with XP? Perhaps your XP installation was hosed or you're just on crack. And most people aren't going to upgrade to the latest and greatest just to use vista. A lot of people bought computers just 1-2 years ago and aren't going to upgrade again just so vista doesn't bog down. As for XP64--hardly a fair comparison since MS hasn't spent the time pushing XP64 and support for it like they have for vista. They've bypassed it altogether in favor of vista. Vista should never have been released and they should have pushed XP64 along with improvements to security and DX10.
"Just wait and see. I'm pretty sure!"
I'm pretty sure too--that VISTA is windows ME version 2 rofl.
"XP was heated before."
Not like vista are you kidding? What are you 10 years old or something? XP was much more compatible when it was first released than vista is. I had numerous games and apps work right from win98/se even. You're gone dude...get a clue
"Vista is the best Microsoft OS (till Windows 7 will came out)"
Black XP is superior to Vista. Windows 7? lol when will that be, the year 2010 or 2012?
Re: Vista is OK and will be no.1. Just have patience!
"In one year or two all of them will be running Vista."
Think so huh? Even business have been wary of spending money to upgrade to it. Not everyone has the money or incentive to upgrade to a quad core to run all the eye candy in vista. Most people want basis functionality--office & word, web browser email. And I guarantee you most people don't care for drm at all.
"you need it because of the new technologies such as directx10 and forth
and pc's will be faster and faster and Vista will boost performance overtime"
You don't need vista for new technologies at all. What new technologies? DX10? DX is nothing more than an api for graphics cards so windows programmers can more easily get at the metal--it doesn't add more features than the graphics card already itself is capable of providing it merely makes it easier to tap the power. And DX10 is fully capable of being deployed for XP. In case you weren't paying attention MS created numerous versions of DX from win95 to DX 9 on XP. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with vista at all. Do you think everyone is naive? You obviously got that machine for DX10 and gaming and are a power user--you should know better since power users often want the most out of their hardware investment--you won't get the most return using VISTA at this time, thats for damn sure, and SP1 is unlikely to fix the bulk of the issues. XP worked much better than vista did before id even had SP1, esp. for games. That b/c they had released SP's for win2k and the transition was a lot easier--not so this time.
"On my Q6600 with 4 GB ram and raid 0 runs flawlessly... Even Windows XP can't match Vista on that machine... considering for 4 GB you must install xp x64 which is way worst than Vista x64"
Yeah of course with a quad core and 4GB of ram, it's going to work better. And that's just BS--I call BS. Windows XP it outperformed by the bloated drm ridden vista? How do you figure since the OS inherrently is calling on the CPU's to do more work than with XP? Perhaps your XP installation was hosed or you're just on crack. And most people aren't going to upgrade to the latest and greatest just to use vista. A lot of people bought computers just 1-2 years ago and aren't going to upgrade again just so vista doesn't bog down. As for XP64--hardly a fair comparison since MS hasn't spent the time pushing XP64 and support for it like they have for vista. They've bypassed it altogether in favor of vista. Vista should never have been released and they should have pushed XP64 along with improvements to security and DX10.
"Just wait and see. I'm pretty sure!"
I'm pretty sure too--that VISTA is windows ME version 2 rofl.
"XP was heated before."
Not like vista are you kidding? What are you 10 years old or something? XP was much more compatible when it was first released than vista is. I had numerous games and apps work right from win98/se even. You're gone dude...get a clue
"Vista is the best Microsoft OS (till Windows 7 will came out)"
Black XP is superior to Vista. Windows 7? lol when will that be, the year 2010 or 2012?
Almost a year on and Vista is much improved. A lot of people, including businesses have been frightened off - so it may not last very long. However most of the compatability problems have vanished following the latest Vista & driver updates. Games and other software that just wouldn't run when I bought Vista (and were apparently never going to be compatible) now run even better than they did in XP. We had to wait for it though - a shame they didnt finish it before releasing it - and it may need a few more patches yet.
I'm a lot less annoyed than I was a year ago with Vista. I hated it at first but now I quite like it.
Re: Vista is OK and will be no.1. Just have patience!
If you're suggesting that a lot of people once scared off from Vista will finally give it a try... I don't think that'll happen. Not because it hasn't improved (it may very well have), but simply because Vista's successor has been heralded, paraded about, and promised to appear quite shortly. No reason to jump to a Vista that's already on its way out!
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
Well, Microsoft has done a great thing for the world of computing.
Vista is the best move by Microsoft that I have ever seen.
It has now shot itself in such a way that Linux and Mac will take over and the world will finally be at peace... :)
Don't you love it?
looks nice.
the only thing good about vista is the look. so download Vista Transformation Pack 7 to make XP look the same! fuck all the bullshit attatched to the REAL vista, you dont have to change your whole fucking system just to make your computer look awesome!!!
download WindowBlinds for even more styles or better still just fucking get a mac!!
looks nice.
the only thing good about vista is the look. so download Vista Transformation Pack 7 to make XP look the same! fuck all the bullshit attatched to the REAL vista, you dont have to change your whole fucking system just to make your computer look awesome!!!
download WindowBlinds for even more styles or better still just fucking get a mac!!
Re: looks nice.
You say Vista looks nice but check out compiz!!!!
you can install it on most kinds of linux as long as you don't have a rubbish graphics card
P.S. If u cant be bothered to find out about it then I'll tell you here:
it gives you all kinds of mad effects like having several desktops around the faces of a cube or wobbly windows
Also with regard to vistas translucent windows, you can get the same thing on Ubuntu without installing anything extra
Reactos
Hi I liked the article. I've enjoyed my Vista experience for nearly a year now on a new HP dv9000t notebook. It's been working well except for a few minor things.
The secret to this success has been by not having my computer connected to anything. No internet, network, as many services turned off as possible, and of course all hardware matched from the start. I fell for the sales hype but really went with it for the intel T7200 chip.
I use a nice soundcard (external) via the firewire connection and as long as I have the ASIO driver on before boot-up I think the DRM stuff is either bypassed or not engaged in some way.
I use this laptop a lot (many hours) in doing audio encoding work which goes almost twice as fast as my XP desktop. So for some people, some applications it's ok.
I have no interest in watching premium content DVDs on laptop so at first wondered what all the fuss was about. I read thru this website for some really great information and recommend it to you. It is 486 comments long from IT pro guys with some MS input as well. It's really a very long read but the quality of the posting is excellent.
Windows Vista Content Protection - Twenty Questions (and Answers)
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx
One of the IT guys posted a link to an emerging (almost ready for prime-time) Windows OS replacement. Open source NT build from the ground up allowing you to use your System32 DLLs. Quite interesting total MS replacement. I'd love to read your comments about that. See it here at:
http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
wait a minute ot all those vista lovers......ur ought to make a mistake i really dont have to say anything about ur loyality to ms$.but hey pay,that i dont for linux and ubuntu,well all i get everything i need works perfectly without,the MS$ tag,guess what no BSOD screens.hehehe.......
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
You're not only illiterate but your argument is non-existant. Most users simply can't interface with a linux based operating system. Vista may not have lived up to the hype but it's a workable operating system and as a software engineer it's not a bad development platform either.
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
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Vista
the mountains of Vista-bashing are ridiculous.
i just got a fucking dell inspiron with amd athlon dual core 64 bit processors running at a little over 5 Ghz - over 3 GB of ram - and a shitty NVIDIA 6000 series graphics card built in - for only ***$699*** at best buy (and that includes the 19" flat screen and awesome epson printer - but - sorry - sale's over) - and my windows vista runs like a fucking spaceship. it's beautiful. no. GORGEOUS. it's totally secure (i'll deal with those constant user approval pop-ups instead of all that shoot-myself-in-the-head annoying norton (or whatever else) shit). and it's faster than a fucking speeding bullet.
all you vista-hating shit eaters just need to cough up a buck or two to update your piece of shit computers. then install vista and have a blast!
Re: Vista
A dual core, 64-bit machine, with 3 GIGABYTES of memory, with no slouch of a graphics card... and you can run the operating system. Well done.
I can also run an operating system, on an AMD K6/III running at 400mhz, with an old Geforce 4 MX. It's called Windows 98. Remember that?
I can also run an operating system with a GUI that has more 3D effects than Vista, is more efficient than Vista or XP (check the required specs for www.eve-online.com between the versions), on a basic 3ghz P4 with a Radeon 9000 IGP chipset. It's called Mandriva Linux. I'm sure you've heard of that one. Incidentally, compiz is designed to run nicely with basic Intel GPUs. Budget machines, yaknow?
So you don't need to spend $699 on unneeded crap.
Linux is fast. Vista is slow. Deal with it, but don't make your bullshit so obvious.
Vista sux
offtopic: LOL I had GeForce 4 MX on my old PC
Well since i got my new PC I installed both Vista and XP and guess what? XP is running like a bullet (event with custom WindowBlinds themes) while Vista takes like 5 min to start!!! (2GB ram, AMD 64 x2 4800+, ATI Radeon x1650)
I recently installed Ubuntu Linux and when I saw all those effects running with so less resource consuming (even less than XP) I instantly deleted Vista. But i keep XP for games ;)
Re: Vista
lol if you think vista is fast, secure and gorgeous Ubuntu will make piss your pants in happiness. Not much for games though =[ but oh well
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
Wow ... I must be lucky. Obviously got the only working copy of Vista. NONE ... really NONE of the 100 topics mentioned here affected me when I installed it. I was really suprised 'cause I read about all those traps waiting for me ... I personally don't want to go back to XP AT ALL. Period. And I feel sorry for those who think a downgrade will make them happy. But it's their choice ...
Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying
Give it time, give it time... : )
Seriously, if all works well for you, that's great. If only the masses in general had had a similarly good experience.
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